Bayeswater Syndicate Rules and Reasons
The general Bayeswater rules apply no leaders, no rubbish left anywhere on site, etc. Please look at the general rules below.
Syndicate lakes embarrassingly seem to cause more problems than day ticket lakes, perhaps it’s because the fish are bigger and there is more at stake, who knows but certainly the day ticket lake runs more smoothly with less problems than the syndicate lake at Bayeswater. It’s worth bearing in mind that a syndicate lake is joined on invitation, it isn’t automatic, and it only takes a small percentage to upset the apple cart but bad apples are easy enough to spot.
In my mind all of the members are OK people and some are very good anglers but we’re all different and although I seem to get on with everyone I know there is sometimes little feather ruffles here and there. Me I don’t care what goes on Facebook, we had it all with chat rooms years ago, one rubbish post leads to a more stupid one and so on, simple don’t read it.
I run the syndicate and what you see is what you get. I like a simple life and don’t see why I have had to even write a rule book for my syndicate lake but, put 40 people on one lake and it can turn it into a kindergarten, so here I am wasting good fishing time on a computer.
1. All syndicate members should be in possession of a good life jacket, oar and a boat key and be able to go out to weeded or snagged fish. This must now be the inflatable on immersion in the water type (self inflating), the weed is to thick to rely on floatation aids now.
If you are unsure of your ability to safely use a boat Gary will give you a free lesson. It’s vitally important to de-snag any fish that needs to be de-snagged and totally unacceptable to pull for breaks. If you are un-sure ask a fellow angler, it’s the responsibility of all syndicate members to free snagged fish.
2. No using the boats without a life jacket (self inflating type). You are insured with a good life jacket but not without.
I know it’s easy to forget in the heat of the moment but it isn’t acceptable in our eyes to use a boat without a life jacket. Always have a life jacket, oar and boat key with you on the bank. If you have a fish weeded up do not launch the boat without your life jacket on and the oar in the boat. If you go out in the boat with another angler make sure you both have life jackets on. There is no excuse, if the farmer sees you he can revoke the use of boats, if you have an accident then we will have trouble, and massive expense insuring boat use and you spoil it for everyone else.
3. Boats must be locked up when not in use. The last person on the lake should check and if necessary lock the boats up.
How simple is that but on one of my visits to the lake 4 out of 5 boats were not locked up and there wasn’t a single angler on the lake. Whatever your view is (I know what mine is) if someone comes on site and gets into trouble on the lake because the boats are not locked up we will be the biggest losers, the boats are necessary on Bayeswater. Always leave the lock on the stakes. If possible return the boat to its original stake. During the summer when the carp are in the snags near the little island the small Bic can be locked up at the snags but it will be on a gate lock.
4. Do not leave oars near the boats.
I will confiscate them for the reason of unauthorised persons being able to use the boat if no syndicate members are on the lake. We had an instance of someone pulling a stake out of the ground and using one of the boats a few years ago, no bodies have ever popped up but we must not make it easy for such idiots to get on the lake on our boats.
5. Pegs 2 and 3 must be fished from the made swims due the close proximity of the overhead pylons, however Peg 3 can be fished from the made swim or from the Day ticket bank depending on the best fishing angle if the usual large weed beds come up.
6. Peg 1 can be fished from the made swim or further down to the little island; depending which is safest to be on the rods quicker. No wondering of the rods if you’re fishing near the snags.
7. Peg 9 can be fished from the grassy bank or under the trees near the little island depending which is safest to be on the rods quicker. No wondering of the rods if you’re fishing near the snags.
8. If there's an angler fishing in 9 walk around the back of the trees to go past, never around the waters edge.
There have been several occasions where anglers have walked near the water when the angler fishing peg 9 has rods close in. This is seriously bad fishing etiquette, something you might expect on a day ticket or club lake, syndicate anglers should be a lot better than that. Likewise if someone has rods in peg 6 around the end or if people are fishing pegs 7 and 8 walk as far back away from the sky line as possible, they might have rods in the edge.
9. Pegs 7 and 8 can be fished from the top of the bank on over-night sessions; longer sessions please fish from the swims as the farmer’s access is compromised.
10. Any carp under 25 pound and tench under 7 pound must be put into the stock pond.
Leading up to spawning time I would include 26 pound carp in this. There is a lot of big fish in the syndicate, because it’s managed as a big fish water. It’s virtually impossible to net so rod and line is our only method to remove small fish to keep the big fish growing.
11. Please park in the car park when it isn't busy. No driving around the lake, you can unload the car at the double gates but then park the car before going to your swim.
Be very aware of rubbish falling out of your car, embarrassingly I often have to pick up rubbish on the track where only syndicate anglers park. Syndicate anglers should be better than that.
12. I used to trust all syndicate anglers to look after the fish but I have witnessed un-necessary fish handling and time out of the water. So please NO weighing them before photographing them, its pointless double handling and get them back into their home as soon as possible. No sacking or retaining any fish un-necessarily. The bigger they are the more vulnerable they are so below is how I want to see it done.
HANDLE ALL FISH IN THIS WAY PLEASE TO HELP KEEP THEM IN GOOD CONDITION
a. Once netted, leave them in the net in the water, making sure the line in the net is slack. Ask a friend or nearest angler to help.
b. Wet your unhooking mat and weigh sling. Zero the scales with the sling, have your camera and everything ready including fish care ointment/antiseptic.
c. Lift the fish out of the water and onto the mat making sure the line is slack in the net and the fins are flat to the fish.
d. Carefully unhook the fish and get it out of the net. Take your photos now, please do not weigh the fish before photos; there is no point in double handling any fish.
e. Check the fish for any damage and treat with fish care products if necessary. Place the fish in the wet sling and weigh it now.
f. Return the fish to the lake in a reasonable depth, carrying it in the sling. If you want water shots let the carp have a breather before doing so.
If you see anyone with a fish out of the water for more than a few minutes please inform a bailiff.
13. Facebook rubbish stays on Facebook, not on the bank.
Steve runs Bayeswater Facebook page brilliantly, we like to put all captures on it from both lakes. If for whatever reason you don’t want your face on Facebook so be it, your choice but we do want all photo’s of 30 pound fish for the web site and fish management records.
14. Reporting captures is optional but holding them back for any length of time is pointless and to be honest I don’t like it.
We want to see how our carp are doing. I will require all photos of all carp over 30 in the future for the web site. Please email them, full size to either firstname.lastname@example.org or email@example.com
15. Saving swims. This is tricky and might be altered but until it is this is the procedures.
If you have just arrived have a look round if you want. If you fancy a vacant swim and intend to fish it put a coat, bucket, your barrow or other easily seen item in it and get the rest of your gear as soon as reasonably possible. Only one swim can be saved in this way for a maximum of one hour. Do not play the game of changing your mind and looking elsewhere trying to hog more than one option.
If two or more anglers arrive in the car park almost at the same time the angler arriving first has first option or you mutually agree.
If you are already on the lake and want to move in behind someone who is due to pack up ask the angler to save the swim, pack up all your gear and be ready to vacate your swim if someone else comes. You can not be fishing one swim waiting to go into another if someone else turns up.
If you are not on the lake and have asked someone who is to hold a swim for you anyone already on the lake can take that swim of you but only if they make the swim they are in vacant immediately on your arrival, they can not be fishing one swim and have another booked.
If you have agreed to let someone on the lake take over your swim when you leave you must tell anyone else turning up this and they must offer the swim to the angler who has already agreed to take the swim over, but that angler must vacate the swim they are in immediately, having already packed most of their gear up ready.
If you have agreed to let someone go in a swim after you it’s up to you when you pack up but let the person waiting know a rough time. The angler moving into your swim can leave a bucket or other marker in the swim but not in your way and unless already agreed can not automatically start to set their gear up, either in the way or to rush you.
There is no reason to have had some of the upset we had early 2014 and it will not happen again. Everyone can see through deceit and we should all be clever enough and grown up enough to get along.
16. Guests, must fish in the same swim as the syndicate member they are fishing with unless they have paid to fish via a charity. In the past I have given syndicate guest tickets as charity prizes, I’ve stopped this because the lake is to busy but there will be occasions where it might happen again. Let Steve, Mark or Gary know that you are bringing a guest. Guests pay standard day ticket rate to fish the lake. Guests are not allowed in the boats.
Although guests must fish from the same swim if there is no one in the next door swim the fishing half way between the next angler rule applies but if anglers turn up in the next swim you must be prepared to tighten it up and move your rods into your own water. On 2 occasions guests have nailed a lake record which I think is nice just like it is when a member catches a lake record.
At an Arena Angling AGM it was voted NO GUESTS in case a guest might catch a record roach, most of the voters didn’t even fish for the roach. That is so sad and jealous it sickened me, those people will never get a place on my syndicate ever. A bit of this crept in last spring 2014, don’t think that way.
With only 9 swims there isn’t always enough room for the members so only allowing guests to fish the same swim as the syndicate member doesn’t take up your fishing space, if a guest or a member catches a good fish or lake record don’t be jealous, be happy for the angler.
17. The lake will be closed for around 2 weeks each year at the first sign of the carp spawning. If you see the carp are spawning reel in immediately and let a bailiff know. If there is other anglers on the lake inform them to reel in. There will be signs posted in prominent places; there will be no fishing while the spawning signs are up.
If you want to have a look round and watch them spawning your welcome but try not to disturb them. Most seasons they do a fair bit of resting during and after spawning (I used to have a fag) and it’s possible to see a lot of the fish easily. It’s worth the time to have a look round. I will feed it hard to help their recovery, if you want to pre-bait feel free.
If you want to have a look round on the boat again do so but try not to disturb them in the act of spawning.
GENERAL RULES AND REASONS
We don’t like to be always pushing a rule book at people and rely on our anglers to have some common sense and respect for the lakes and fellow anglers. 99% of the anglers who fish Bayeswater are very nice people; most of the rules had to be written for the 1% that just doesn’t get it. If you do see people acting inappropriately please inform a bailiff.
Below are some obvious rules, many that the farmer insists we state due to past experiences on his lake.
Not all our members are experienced anglers so where I feel it needs explaining I have done, hence the title “Rules and Reasons”.
The main gate must be locked and the bar put over every time, the farmer has correctly complained about this several times. The only time not to lock it is if both gates are fully open and wedged open when they are obviously in use for farm vehicles. Do not leave the gate open for other anglers or guests to come in.
The gates on the otter fencing must be closed especially if you’re the last person to leave.
All anglers must have a valid ID card or be accompanied by an ID cardholder.
This is for the security of the lakes and land. Please remember your ID card every time as you might be asked to show it to the farmer.
Day tickets are available on the bank from official bailiffs.
1. No fish to be removed from the fishery or transferred into the fishery.
Our fish seem to be very healthy and we wouldn’t want to risk disease or any other species in the lakes
2. All anglers must use suitable landing net’s, weigh slings, unhooking mats forceps, disgorgers and antiseptic type fish care equipment for safe fish treatment on the bank for all species.
Please also make sure nets and slings have no holes or sharp areas and wet slings and mats before placing fish on them. Also try to bring them on site dry to lessen the chance of parasite infection from other waters.
3. Please treat the fish with the utmost care.
I have often seen fish dragged up the bank in a landing net, lift them of the ground please. I also witness to many people weighing them before photographing them that is pointless double handling. I’m a firm believer that the less stress they go through the sooner they get back feeding and behaving like carp again. Please treat all the Bayeswater fish you catch with the utmost care as if they are the most delicate, precious thing you have handled. Check everything for sharp edges, take watches of, etc.
2 people can make the operation smoother, please ask for help, the angler next door will always like a look at the fish anyway.
The best procedure when you catch a fish is these simple rules.
a) Leave the fish in the net in the water for a few minutes so it can get its breath back after the fight. (Imagine running a mile and then having your head stuck in a bucket of water), that must be the same for a fish lifted out of the water to soon.
b) Make your mind up while it’s still in the water if you want to have a photo or weigh the fish. If you are doing then get everything ready while the fish is still in the water. Ask a friend or the nearest angler if they will help.
c) Wet slings and un-hooking mats and make sure the mat is on level ground so the fish can’t slide of easily.
d) Lift the fish out of the water ensuring the fins are not trapped underneath the weight of the fish so no fins are broken and place the fish on the un-hooking mat softly.
e) Remove the hook being careful not to tangle the hook link on the fins or on the gill cover. If you can, lift the fish slightly and remove the net, ask a friend or onlooker to help.
Net mesh is a slime remover, some anglers like to lift the fish, still in the net with the aid of a weigh sling, I have no problem with this but it is a bit tricky so make your own mind up here for the benefit of the fish.
f) Take your photos now, keeping the fish as low as possible and being prepared to lower the fish back onto the mat if it starts to struggle.
g) Photos done now slip it into the weigh sling and check the weight. It’s now in the best position to be easily returned. Weigh slings are the best way to transport fish back to the water. If you use a weigh sling with bars please be careful of the bars and also carry the carp in a way it cant slide backwards in the sling, one of the syndicate 40’s had its tail broken in one of these types of sling, some have square corners, make sure the head is tilted down to avoid slipping in the sling to never break a tail.
h) Hold the fish as far as possible in deep enough water so it can easily swim out of the weigh sling. Let water into the sling to help.
Bayeswater carp are the best-conditioned carp of any fishery; please try to keep it this way by respecting each and every one of them.
4. Swims must be kept tidy at all times.
There won’t be any kit inspections but be especially aware of light rubbish such as crisp and sweet wrappers blowing in the wind. I have never been able to walk around the lakes without finding small items of rubbish. Usually I can’t even fill my back pocket but if I didn’t pick it up then it would build up. I know a lot of anglers pick up other anglers rubbish for me, thanks for that but it would be 100% better not to have to.
5. Your fishing zone is halfway between you and the next angler, left and right and half way across if applicable.
If you have empty swims near you by all means you can cast into them but you must be prepared to reel in should someone want to fish there.
We’ve had occasions where anglers definitely have cast or bait boated beyond half way across to the neighbouring angler. If you have this happen to you let the angler know they are fishing in your water, if they persist let a bailiff know.
6. All litter to be removed from the premises, every last bit, including cigarette stubs, tea bags, sweet wrappers or any small items please.
If you find other anglers rubbish please pick it up and inform a bailiff so we can try to catch the culprit. Anyone purposefully leaving rubbish will be banned. Be aware that Steve bailiffs with his eyes wide open and we have banned an angler for leaving rubbish and will do so again should we have to. We have had rubbish left in the toilets, hidden in the wood chip pile, left in the barrows and thrown in the farmer’s field. It will not be tolerated, there are plenty of day ticket lakes full of rubbish, it embarrasses us knowing its anglers leaving it, we are better than that surely.
7. No child under the age of 16 years is allowed to fish without adult supervision.
The adult must be over 21, this is an insurance stipulation.
8. No fires or barbecues.
The no barbecue rule is part of the lease agreement.
9. No noise nuisance radios, shouting, unsociable or disruptive behaviour etc.
Fishing should be peaceful and hassle free.
10. No dogs, as we share the lake with a shooting syndicate.
11. No vegetation to be cut back, especially reeds and trees.
We’ll cut the reeds back as part of our general maintenance.
11. No trespassing in surrounding farmland or woods.
12. All anglers must be in possession of a valid national rod-fishing license.
One licence covers 2 rods, to fish 3 or 4 rods you require two licences. Bayeswater allows the use of up to 4 rods, why wouldn’t we. I just don’t get the 2 or 3 rod rules on some lakes.
13. Proof will be required for concessions i.e. juniors disabled and OAP’s. Juniors under 12 fishing in the same swim as an adult are free of charge; 12-16 are half price as are ladies over 60 and men over 65.
17. All vehicles must not exceed 10 mph throughout the estate.
People moan about the track being pot holed but if you drive slowly it isn’t so bad.
18. All vehicles to be parked only in the fishing car park or on the track furthest side away from the lakes. NO DRIVING ROUND TO SWIMS.
Please also park sensibly; often the car park is full due to large gaps between cars. Also on the rubbish front please be aware that lose rubbish can be blown out of your car when you get out, I often have to pick bits and bobs up, some even have the names of the litter dropper, be aware.
19. Strictly no vehicles on any grass. Parked or driven.
This is especially so on the boot sale field, especially if the ground is wet. It’s almost a capital offence if the farmer catches you.
The only exception to this is on boot sale days. If you come to the lake when there is a boot sale on go left of Boss Hogg’s, following the boot sale route. When stopped at the boot sale pay booth just tell them you’re going to the fishing lakes, you’ll be let through, carefully drive on the roadways through the boot sale car park to the end and return to the normal track to the lake. Please drive slow and careful, pedestrians don’t always look what they are doing and regularly walk in front of cars, we’ve had complaints of anglers driving to fast through the boot sale, it isn’t safe to do so, please don’t.
20. All vehicle activity to be kept to a minimum after 10 pm and before 5 am.
If you do arrive or leave in the dark please don’t full beam your lights towards the farm house.
21. Random spot checks will be carried out 24 hours a day by the bailiffs. Any person found not abiding by the rules, would be asked to leave and banned by the fishery.
If you see any angler leaving rubbish, using leaders or acting inappropriately please report this to a bailiff, we want well looked after fish and no rubbish don’t we?.
22. Lost keys or ID cards will be replaced at a cost of £5.
Remember, we might know you but if the farmer asks for an ID card and you don’t have one you could be asked to leave.
23. Bait boats are allowed but must be kept inside your own fishing area.
Be aware that bait boats drift so as soon as you drop your bait on a back or cross wind bring the boat into shore. Some anglers have moaned about bait boats and then I’ve seen these anglers cast further than their swim boundaries. Bait boats and rods/casting can be abused; please don’t exceed your boundaries.
23. No leaders of any kind on all Bayeswater lakes.
There have been too many instances of fish towing leaders. It isn’t just lead core but all leaders are not safe if used in-correctly. We can’t rig check all rods so have had to stop leader use. Good rig tubing, especially the tungsten types seem to work better than leaders on the day ticket lake.
24. Be aware of the overhead pylon cables.
If you cast over them slowly winch the rig to the cable and it will often flip over safely. Should you get tangled just hold the spool. Point the rod at the cable and walk back slowly, pulling for a break. We often find long lengths of line hanging from the cables, if your line breaks a long way away from the cable odds are your line was either damaged or perished. Please regularly check your line we don’t want fish towing long lengths.
25. No fishing in between pegs 8 and 9 under the cables or in the sanctuary area clearly marked at the shallows.
Always be cautious of overhead cables, they are life threatening. The sanctuary at the shallows end is to protect the carp from being dragged onto the shallow gravel during the fight. If you see there is someone fishing the shallows please don’t enter the sanctuary area, it scares their fish.
26. No one is allowed on the stock pond without permission from Steve, Gary or the farmer except to transfer small fish out of the fished lakes.
We are feeding the stock fish hard for future Bayeswater stock. Now that the lakes fish are at the weights they are we only intend to re-stock with good sized own grown fish.
27. This is optional on the day ticket lake but to keep the lake as a specimen water we want to remove smaller carp and tench. Any carp under 12 pound and tench under 5 pound can be put in the stock pond but please let us know.
We net the day ticket lake to try to remove small fish but it’s a hard lake to net successfully so every little helps.
28. Do not leave the toilets in a mess; other people have to use them. The toilets are cleaned every week, usually on a Wednesday. If they don’t seem to have been cleaned let us know please.
- Always pump the handle to wet the trap door before use.
- Do your business.
- Pump the handle until the trap door is clear.
- Do not put anything down the toilet it isn’t designed to take
- Do not leave rubbish bags in the toilet
- If the toilet hire people leave bin liners in there only put empty toilet rolls in the liners, no other rubbish that you should be taking home.
I’ve had to clean the toilet out, scraping the trap door clean to often so have some of our anglers, it isn’t rocket science, if you don’t care if you leave it in a mess and cant follow the simple method of using a porter-loo just stay at home, you obviously don’t care about the next person, we don’t want you.
29. Both lakes have predators, the syndicate pike and perch, the day ticket lake perch only. There is NO live bait fishing for either unless you have permission from a bailiff. If you want to bait fish seriously for the perch on the day ticket and pike and perch on the syndicate you have to prove to us that you know how. Lure fishing is allowed but please look after all fish caught extra carefully.
Both these species are very fragile and will perish if deep hooked or handled wrong. They are no where near as robust as carp and cannot handle excessive handling. No one is allowed to sit away from the rods or leave the swim if they are fishing for these species on any method without reeling in first. EA laws say we can’t be more than 10 metres away from the rods, generally unless you’re fishing near snags your OK with carp but with predator fishing, especially perch you want the rods at arms length maximum and even then you have to hit bites quick, deep hooked and over stressed pike and perch die easy, they are fragile and these days scarce at decent weights.
30. No going inside the stock pond fence, please do not feed them.
The stock pond fish are fed hard and we need to see them a bit to monitor their growth and health. If there is to much foot traffic on the bank and to much left over bait thrown in it makes growing these fish on more difficult.